If anyone's triggering, I'd say it'd be Madison. She's showing signs of being pretty fucked up in her own right (not leaving the torture room when given explicit permission, and actively participating, and the 'anti-climactic' bit from the last chapter) and it would be a really interesting dynamic. I'm not sure what her powers would be, probably something strangerish given how much of a chameleon she is. It would leave Taylor as the thinky murderous normal that she's been so far while allowing for more escalation. On the subject of Taylor possibly triggering-for quite some time now I've had an idea for an assassin-y power and no idea how to make use of it, so I now offer it freely to you for this Taylor's pleasure. It works like this: Taylor can store things inside of other things. To her, everything has a pocket dimension inside of it capable of storing objects of total volume equal or less than it.
She can stack a pocket dimension inside another pocket dimension, but the total volume inside any given PD can never exceed the volume of the object generating it. And here's the kicker-Taylor can move herself (and possibly other people ) through sufficiently large PDs. She can effectively walk through walls, or sink into the ground and reemerge half a mile away. I think this (or something in a similar vein) would be a great power for Taylor.
It boosts her stealth and mobility, and lets her carry weapons with her in a totally undetectable way, without changing the nature of how she actually kills or giving her a straight power boost. Click to expand.Not even remotely how psycopathy works. Psychopaths think differently, and have reduced capacity for empathy, but they can certainly suffer. I mean, most triggers we know of in Worm had little to nothing to do with empathy-they're traumatic events, and trauma tends to be.' Self-concerned' I suppose would be the best way to put it. It's something horrible happening to you or someone you already care about. (Unless it's the kind of trauma you get from watching shitloads of people die really gruesomely, but you probably wouldn't see that outside of war/an S class threat attack.).
Click to expand.Coil. He in fact enjoy using normal people to do jobs for him and he may see an advantage in using 'innocent looking' teenagers for assasinations of this type as probably very corrupt Brockton Bay Police and maybe PRT won't search for potential killer of this type in a small group of teenager young girls.
Shadow Stalker may be used as an argument that some investigations are lacking and flawed in BB when compared to other cities. Plus with the amount of crimes in BB they are busy with 'more important' things. Plus if she is good enough to kill parahumans, he may use this to his advantage, especially if Unwritten Rules here don't apply to civilians. Although he doesn't care about them in first place.
Click to expand.It would be so ironic if he planned a murder himself, but someone killed a target before he did. Especially as it was mentioned in canon that he has serious temper, which could be presented this way as 'cold rage' in a way. Although potential 'bonding' would be amusing if he and his daughter find each other in the middle of a murder commited by one of them and from then on decide to cooperate, including Madison. What a messed up team xX.
But taking into account how he has trouble noticing things when it goes to his daughter in canon (and possibly here as well), I doubt it. Click to expand.This. I would prefer Taylor without power, but 'thinker-nullifier' would work. Problem with this is that in this case Thinker could gather information from Madison instead, which would be as bad. And I don't think this Taylor would kill a person which she appreciates helping her out. I think there is solution. Taylor could 'trigger' with 'thinker-nullifier', while Madison receives access to 'Thinker-detector'.
In other words Madison 'spider senses' potential trouble, while Taylor follows up after by 'blocking' potential Thinker detection. Click to expand.Also additional potential problem in this scenario is that Taylor and Madison also decided to rent a room in the same hotel. Someone may connect the dots if they check out who hired rooms in hotel before murder, which would make creating alibi here pretty hard as there is at least one witness of them being in the same hotel (receptionist). But to be honest I believe more in scenario where BB Police simply won't care. But all that is it needed is one overeager investigator. Plus the way guy was presented suggest that he could be rich/influential, so someone may suspect foul play and be more interested in finding truth then if for example if it was someone more standard. Well, it looks like we're starting to see a distinction between the Murder Duo.
Taylor is developing into more of a killer of the 'clever' sort that someone like Accord can appreciate while Madison is starting to look like a more hands-on killer who is probably more sadistic (from what we can infer on her 'anticlimactic' comment) in her future murders. Speaking of future murders, I wonder how Emma feels with the inclusion of Madison. Will she feel the odd one out due to Taylor and Mads bonding over murder? It was noted that Emma was viewed as just a passive audience according to Taylor. So building on that, will Emma (still damaged from the alley and not wanting to be left behind by her friends) start to come along on Taylor's 'hunts', not to join in the killing but to watch it. To see another 'bad guy' being tortured and killed and thinking all the while, 'I survived what you almost did to me, now experience the terror I felt back then.' So now we have Taylor the Killer Mastermind, Madison the Sadist Pretender, and Emma the Morbid Viewer.
(And we can through in Sophia as the Sage Veteran, dropping little nuggets of murder advice to those crazy whippersnappers.). Click to expand.Alright, I'll try my hand.
First omake I've ever written, and the first draft got eaten by an accidental click of Ctrl+W. One of the Nine Edwin Jones was having the worst day of his life. It had a pretty mundane start. He'd woken up at way-too-early o'clock after staying up well past midnight putting the finishing touches on his latest project, jarred out of his sleep by pounding on his door. After peeling his cheek off the workbench, he opened the door to find Rime, the local second-in-command with the most serious look he'd ever seen on her.
Considering that this was Rime of all people. 'Knockout, report to the briefing room in five minutes. And stop turning off the intercom in your lab, even for 'sensitive experiments' she said, paying little attention to his sleep-deprived stagger. He quickly threw on his costume and made his way there, the sinking feeling in his stomach not helped at all by finding the rest of the Philadelphia Protectorate, a handful of high-ranked and nervous-looking PRT officers, and a complete, conspicuous absence of the local Wards. Chevalier, clad in his iconic armor and carrying his cannonblade, was addressing the gathered crowd. 'An hour ago, one of our patrols came across a murder scene.
Three bodies, all mutilated in different ways. Within the next half-hour, two more such sites were located.
While we're waiting for the Think Tank to confirm.' Edwin heard someone gulp. '.it seems the Slaughterhouse Nine is in our city.' The shiver that ran across the audience was not one of fear.
Just Rime playing pranks. 'As soon as that's confirmed, we'll be contacting the local villains to establish a truce. In the meantime, let's go over the known members of the Nine.' As Chevalier went through the reports on the members of the Nine, Knockout's mind boiled with ideas.
Most important was Shatterbird-proofing his tech, of course, but he couldn't help but notice that only two of the eight members with known powers were heavyweight Brutes who could plausibly deal with his trump card, and the last, Dexter (whoever had filed her under that name had clearly watched too much TV) had an aversion to open combat implying that whatever her power was, she was no Brute. A plan was hatched.
Knockout stood to the side of a shattered window frame in an abandoned gas station, observing a nearby building through his visor, Tinkertech gun in his right hand, thumb of his left on a grenade-like device clipped to his belt. Cache was a few feet away, also out of sight from the street, pale as a ghost. Edwin doubted he'd look much better in the mirror, were there still any in this city. Their part of the plan was simple - wait for the rest of the teams to engage the Nine, and once Jack's personal company is small enough, knock him out, have Cache drag him to the PRT building, and see if they can get any info on the rest of the Nine's powers from him. 'Chevalier here, got eyes on Crawler and Mannequin, over.' 'Rime here, located Siberian, Bonesaw, and Shatterbird, over.'
'Myrddin here, visual on Hatchet Face and Burnscar, over.' 'Knockout here, we have Jack and Dexter, over.' Everyone, move out!' Knockout steeled himself, unhooked the grenade, pressed a button, and once it started blinking green he threw it through the glass-free window of the red-stained hotel.
His visor displayed two active nervous systems in the target room - and they both collapsed like puppets with their strings cut, the glow in his interface dimming. That thing had been his masterpiece. While he'd pretended to be a nonlethal. Well, less-lethal weapons Tinker, his true specialty had always been brains. The device, a cape-stunner, did exactly that - by simulating an ongoing trigger event with a signal more powerful than an actual trigger, it would cause unconsciousness in any cape, except perhaps the most bullshit of Brutes - which he guessed might include Crawler and Siberian.
Of course, Knockout and Cache were wearing protective headgear - it only took one embarrassing testing accident for that flaw to be corrected. After taking a few seconds to check for movement, he smashed through the window frame and jumped in ('Come with me, Cache!' ) One of the two people on the ground, he'd recognized immediately. Jack's mug was one of the most infamous in the world. Dexter was good at disguising herself and there weren't many clear pictures of her, but he'd doubted any makeup and cross-dressing would disguise a lanky, black-haired woman as a prematurely balding, pudgy man. Perhaps that's why she was so slippery?
A power-assisted disguise would let her slip away among her victims, though. Could it help her against her team? The Nine's high turnover rate wasn't just due to external threats. Cache was supposed to grab Jack at this point, but he was nowhere in sight. Did the protection failed? That would be bad.
'Cache, I have Jack confirmed down and someone who might be Dexter. Come and pick them up.' There was no response. Knockout turned around, frantically scanning the area.
He caught a glimpse of a nervous system flickering out, and a closer look revealed Cache's body, throat slashed open. Before he could turn around again, a crunch of glass behind him and a pinprick on his neck had him falling to the ground, paralyzed. He yelped when he felt hands turn him over, and he came face to face with glasses and a too-wide mouth set in a mockery of a smile.
'A for effort there, Knockout. Almost had Jack with that stunt! What is this thing, anyway?' She said, holding up the cape stunner. It was still blinking green. Supposed to knock capes.
Riley is gonna love this. I mean, her upgrades seem to mitigate the effects somewhat' - she pointed to Jack, who was slowly getting off the floor - 'but I think I'll find my own uses for it until we're out of this town.' 'Oh, yes, she upgraded everyone in the Nine with her tech. Well, if 'everyone' doesn't include Manny because he only trusts his own stuff, Crawler and Siberian because how, and me because it would go against the whole idea.' 'How long have your people been spouting theories about my power like some PHO tinfoil hats?
Now, don't go telling them - not that my little sister's special mix will let you go anywhere - but they've been looking at it all wrong.' 'You see, ever since the great golden fool showed up, people have been forgetting that people don't need powers to be scary. I was never a cape, Knockout.' She smiled, this smile looking far more like the natural smile - of a hungry shark. Jack, who had seemed to be completely ignoring the cape-stunner's effects by now, moved closer, took the device off Dexter, turned it off and handed it back to her. Then he spoke.
'It's been a learning experience for me too, you know. You'd think that with what becoming a cape requires, they'd see the wonder of suffering more clearly, but this girl really has surprised me more than anyone had in a long time. Now, let's go, 'hero'. Bonesaw will want to pick your brain for ideas.' On the subject of Taylor possibly triggering-for quite some time now I've had an idea for an assassin-y power and no idea how to make use of it, so I now offer it freely to you for this Taylor's pleasure. It works like this: Taylor can store things inside of other things.
To her, everything has a pocket dimension inside of it capable of storing objects of total volume equal or less than it. She can stack a pocket dimension inside another pocket dimension, but the total volume inside any given PD can never exceed the volume of the object generating it. And here's the kicker-Taylor can move herself (and possibly other people ) through sufficiently large PDs. She can effectively walk through walls, or sink into the ground and reemerge half a mile away.
I think this (or something in a similar vein) would be a great power for Taylor. It boosts her stealth and mobility, and lets her carry weapons with her in a totally undetectable way, without changing the nature of how she actually kills or giving her a straight power boost. Also additional potential problem in this scenario is that Taylor and Madison also decided to rent a room in the same hotel. Someone may connect the dots if they check out who hired rooms in hotel before murder, which would make creating alibi here pretty hard as there is at least one witness of them being in the same hotel (receptionist). But to be honest I believe more in scenario where BB Police simply won't care. But all that is it needed is one overeager investigator. Plus the way guy was presented suggest that he could be rich/influential, so someone may suspect foul play and be more interested in finding truth then if for example if it was someone more standard.
Well, it looks like we're starting to see a distinction between the Murder Duo. Taylor is developing into more of a killer of the 'clever' sort that someone like Accord can appreciate while Madison is starting to look like a more hands-on killer who is probably more sadistic (from what we can infer on her 'anticlimactic' comment) in her future murders. Speaking of future murders, I wonder how Emma feels with the inclusion of Madison. Will she feel the odd one out due to Taylor and Mads bonding over murder? It was noted that Emma was viewed as just a passive audience according to Taylor. So building on that, will Emma (still damaged from the alley and not wanting to be left behind by her friends) start to come along on Taylor's 'hunts', not to join in the killing but to watch it. To see another 'bad guy' being tortured and killed and thinking all the while, 'I survived what you almost did to me, now experience the terror I felt back then.'
So now we have Taylor the Killer Mastermind, Madison the Sadist Pretender, and Emma the Morbid Viewer. (And we can through in Sophia as the Sage Veteran, dropping little nuggets of murder advice to those crazy whippersnappers.).
A.K.A.: 'Royal Oak Sniper' Classification: Serial killer Characteristics: Rape Number of victims: 4 - 20 Date of murders: 1972 - 1975 Date of arrest: May 20, 1975 Date of birth: 1936 Victims profile: Lee Fletcher, 25 / Deborah Heneman, 23 / Susan Jackson, 21 / Vonnie Stuth Method of murder: Hitting with a hammer / Shooting Location: Michigan/Texas/Washington, USA Status: Sentenced to life in prison on one count in Washington, April 1976 Michigan born in 1936, Gary Taylor spent his early years in Florida, launching his first attacks on women there, when he was in his teens. His standard M.O. Involved loitering around bus stops after nightfall, waiting for solitary women to disembark, assaulting them with a hammer. Confined as a juvenile, Taylor returned to Michigan on release, in 1957, and there became notorious as the 'Royal Oak Sniper,' shooting women he found on the streets after dark. Thus far, none of his victims had died, and Taylor was shuttled from one psychiatric hospital to another over an eleven-year period, assaulting several Detroit women during ill-conceived furloughs. Despite his continuing violence and a self-proclaimed 'compulsion to hurt women,' Taylor was rated a safe bet for out-patient treatment, 'as long as he reports in to receive medication.' Tiring of the game in late 1973, he stopped showing up at the hospital, and authorities waited fourteen months before listing his disappearance with the National Crime Information Center in Washington, D.C.
By that time, Taylor had murdered at least four women in three different states. A pair of victims from Ohio - 25-year-old Lee Fletcher and 23-year-old Deborah Heneman - were buried in Taylor's back yard before he abandoned his home in Onsted, Michigan, moving west to Seattle. There, on the night of November 27, he abducted and killed a young housewife, Vonnie Stuth.
Officers traced him to Enumclaw, Washington, where he sat still for interrogation but refused to take a polygraph exam. In the absence of an NCIC listing, homicide investigators did not know he was a fugitive, and they were forced to set him free. By the time Michigan authorities plugged Taylor's name into the national computer, he had vanished again, bound for Texas. On May 20, 1975, Taylor was picked up in Houston on a charge of sexual assault, swiftly confessing his role in four murders.
Victims Fletcher and Heneman were unearthed in Michigan on May 22, and Taylor signed confessions in two other cases, including those of Houston victim Susan Jackson, 21, and Vonnie Stuth, found buried near his former home in Enumclaw. Further investigation cleared him of six other Washington murders, now blamed on Ted Bundy, but officers in Texas, Michigan, and California suspect him in as many as 20 unsolved homicides.
Convicted on the four counts he confessed, Taylor was sentenced to a term of life imprisonment. Michael Newton - An Encyclopedia of Modern Serial Killers - Hunting Humans Freedom to Kill Time.com Monday, Jun. 09, 1975 In a criminal career that has spanned two decades, Gary Addison Taylor, 39, an itinerant Michigan machinist, has robbed, raped, stabbed and otherwise brought mayhem to at least a dozen women in three states. Incredibly, courts and psychiatrists time and again have declined to keep him confined. Last week Houston police were holding Taylor on serious charges that may finally put him behind bars for good.
Taylor's lust for violence took bizarre forms. At 18, he was charged with attacking a woman with a wrench as she stepped off a bus in St. Petersburg, Fla. A jury acquitted him. At 21, he drove through four Detroit suburbs firing a gun at women.
He wounded two, and was billed by local newspapers as 'the phantom sniper.' A psychiatrist testified in court that 'he is unreasonably hostile toward women, and this makes it very possible that he might very well kill a person.' Taylor was declared insane and committed to Michigan's Ionia State Hospital, and three years later was transferred to the Lafayette Clinic in Detroit. Out on a pass to attend a welding class, Taylor talked his way into a Detroit woman's home, then raped and robbed her.
By the next year, out on another pass, he threatened a rooming-house manager and her daughter with an 18-inch butcher knife. He was not put on trial in either incident; instead he was sent back to Ionia.
In 1972, Taylor was released from the Michigan Center for Forensic Psychiatry in Ypsilanti. Reason: under Michigan law, a person acquitted of a crime by reason of insanity cannot be kept indefinitely in a mental institution; he must be periodically certified mentally ill and dangerous to himself or the community.
The psychiatric center's director, Dr. Ames Robey, diagnosed Taylor's condition as a character disorder and not a treatable mental illness. Robey did not think Taylor was dangerous as long as he took medication and did not drink. Soon after his release, Taylor married. He and his wife Helen, a secretary, moved first to Onsted, Mich., later to the Seattle suburbs. Last December after separating from his wife, Taylor settled down in Houston.
There he was indicted last week on three counts of aggravated sexual abuse, one count of attempted aggravated rape, and the rape of a 16-year-old pregnant girl. He is also likely to be indicted for the murder of a 21-year-old go-go dancer. When news of his arrest in Houston reached Taylor's estranged wife in San Diego, she said Taylor had once told her that he had killed four people in Onsted.
Meanwhile Taylor began to talk. But last week he insisted to a Houston justice of the peace that the police had beaten confessions out of him; the police called the charges nonsense. Tipped off by Houston police, investigators in Onsted found the bodies of two Toledo girls, wrapped in plastic bags, buried outside the bedroom window of the old Taylor home. And in Enumclaw, Wash., authorities found the body of a missing woman behind a house where Taylor had lived. Last week he was charged with the killing. Phantom Sniper. The tragedies could have been averted if 'the phantom sniper' had been locked up years ago in Michigan.
But last year the state supreme court upheld the law that the cases of the mentally ill, including criminals, should be reviewed every six months. The problem comes in defining mental illness. In several recent Michigan homicide cases, psychiatrists have disagreed on whether those who committed the crimes should be confined. One man, who the police learned had killed seven persons for hire, was set free—and a month later stomped his wife to death. SEX: M RACE: W TYPE: N MOTIVE: Sex./Sad. DATE(S): 1972-76 VENUE: Mich./Tex./W ash. VICTIMS: 20 suspected MO: Rape-slayer of women in at least three states DISPOSITION: Life term on one count in Wash., Apr.
Gary Addison Taylor.
Contents History Due to the lack of sources describing Taylor, details about his life and crimes are sketchy. Born in Michigan sometime in 1936, Taylor spent his early years in Florida. For unspecified reasons, he began randomly attacking women with a hammer, usually near bus stops that he would loiter at in wait. He was eventually incarcerated as a juvenile, but Taylor was released in 1957 and returned to Michigan, settling in Onsted.
There, he acquired a job as a machinist. He also began his crime spree, shooting at random women walking on the streets after dark, eventually wounding two. He also robbed, raped, and/or stabbed a number of other women during that time.
In 1961, Taylor threatened a rooming-house manager and her daughter with an 18-inch butcher knife, later being apprehended for his crimes, declared insane, and committed to Michigan's Ionia State Hospital; he later transferred to the Lafayette Clinic in Detroit three years afterward. He was eventually released and deemed suitable for outpatient treatment, being required to report in regularly for medication. Sometime in 1972, Taylor met and married a secretary named Helen, moving to Seattle, Washington, with her. However, the two divorced, and he moved to Houston, Texas, where he raped a pregnant sixteen-year-old girl and possibly murdered a 21-year-old go-go dancer. In late 1973, Taylor stopped taking his medication and failed to show up at his hospital. He was subsequently classified as 'an escaped mental patient'. On November 27, he abducted and murdered a young housewife named Vonnie Stuth.
Officers investigating the case tracked him at Enumclaw, Washington, where he was arrested. Allegedly, he sat still for interrogation but refused to take a polygraph exam. In the absence of an NCIC listing, homicide investigators did not know he was an escaped mental patient, and they were forced to release him. Afterwards, he returned to Houston. Two years later, on May 20, Taylor was arrested for sexually assaulting a woman. When she heard of his arrest, Helen told police in San Diego, California, that he bragged to her about killing four people. Taylor later quickly confessed to committing four murders; two days later, an investigation turned up the bodies of 25-year-old Lee Fletcher and 23-year-old Deborah Heneman in Taylor's Onsted, Michigan home.
Taylor also made written confessions to the deaths of Stuth and 21-year-old Susan Jackson, both of whom were found in his home at Enumclaw, Washington. He would later go on to allege that police officers beat him in order to extract a confession, but the accusations weren't believed by a judge. Further investigation cleared him of six other murders that occurred in Washington (which have now been blamed on serial killer, who was active in the same state), but investigators in Texas, Michigan, and California suspect him in as many as twenty unsolved homicides. Taylor was eventually convicted on the four counts he confessed to and sentenced to one term of life imprisonment. Modus Operandi Not much is known about Taylor's crimes, other than he specifically targeted women.
During his known crimes (not murders), he would loiter around bus stops and wait for any unaccompanied women before bludgeoning them with a hammer or a wrench. He then evolved to shooting random women walking in the streets after dark. It is exactly unknown as to how he killed his confirmed fatal victims, but after he killed them, he would cover their bodies in plastic bags and bury them on his property. It was also stated that he robbed, raped, and/or stabbed victims.
Known Victims. Unspecified dates and locations in Florida: Numerous unnamed women (all bludgeoned with a hammer or a wrench, but survived). c. Petersburg, Florida: Unnamed woman (bludgeoned with a wrench; survived). c.
1957, Detroit, Michigan:. Nine unnamed women and girls (all shot at in separate events, but missed). Two unnamed women (both injured). c. 1960, Detroit, Michigan: Unnamed woman (raped and robbed, but not killed). c. 1961, Detroit, Michigan: Unnamed rooming-house manager and her daughter (threatened both with a butcher knife).
c. 1972, Houston, Texas:. Unnamed 16-year-old girl (raped only; was pregnant). Unnamed 21-year-old woman (possibly).
1973, Enumclaw, Washington:. Unspecified date: Susan Jackson, 21.
November 27: Vonnie Stuth, 22. 1975:. May 20, Houston, Texas: Unnamed woman (sexually assaulted only).
May 22, Onsted, Michigan (found; both were buried in his backyard):. Lee Fletcher, 25. Deborah Heneman, 23. Note: In total, Taylor is suspected of committing a final count of at least 20 murders.
On Criminal Minds Taylor was mentioned in the episode ' when brought up his tendency to change his M.O. Whenever his need to control the situation changed, while the was discussing 's varying M.O. Sources.
Date apprehended unapprehended The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people associated with, over a period of nearly 20 years, and dumped their bodies along the, near the remote, beach towns of and in, and the area of in. The remains of four victims were found in December 2010, while six more sets of remains were found in March and April 2011. Police believe the latest sets of remains predate the four bodies found in December 2010. On May 9, 2011, authorities surmised that two of the newest sets of remains might be the work of a second killer.
On November 29, 2011, however, the police announced their belief that one person is responsible for all 10 deaths, and that they did not believe the case of Shannan Gilbert, an who went missing before the first set of bodies were found, was related. 'It is clear that the area in and around Gilgo Beach has been used to discard human remains for some period of time,' said Suffolk County District Attorney.
Exit for on the Ocean Parkway, near where the first body was found In December 2010, a police officer and his dog, on a routine training exercise, discovered the first body: 'the skeletal remains of a woman in a nearly disintegrated sack.' This discovery led to three more bodies being found two days later in the same area, on the north side of the Ocean Parkway. Richard Dormer said, 'Four bodies found in the same location pretty much speaks for itself. It's more than a coincidence. We could have a serial killer.' A few months later, in late March and early April 2011, four more bodies were discovered in another area off the parkway. Suffolk Police expanded the search area up to the Nassau County border, looking for more victims.
On April 6, Detective Lt. Kevin Smith of the said that his office will 'further explore and investigate any criminal activity which may be in close proximity to the recently discovered human remains found in Suffolk.' Smith also said that Nassau County Police will be coordinating with Suffolk County and on the investigation. Five days later, the search for more bodies began in Nassau County. Local media reported that an additional set of partial human remains was found, as well as a separate skull, bringing the potential total number of victims found since December to ten. On April 22, two human teeth were found about a foot from the skull. On June 16, Suffolk County police raised the reward from $5,000 to $25,000 (the largest ever offered in the county's history) for information leading to an arrest in the Long Island murders.
On September 20, police released composite sketches of two of the unidentified victims whose remains were found in March and April (an Asian male and Jane Doe No. 6), as well as photos of jewelry found on the remains of a female toddler and her mother, found on April 4 and 11, respectively. The toddler's mother was also revealed as one of the sets of remains found in Nassau County on April 11. Also on September 20, police revealed that the second set of remains found in Nassau County on April 11 matched two legs that were found in a garbage bag that had washed up on in 1996. As of September 22, 2011, the police had received over 1,200 tips via text, email and phone since the beginning of the investigation.
On November 29, police announced that they believed one person is responsible for all 10 murders, and that the person is almost certainly from Long Island. On December 13, the remains of Shannan Gilbert were found in a marsh about half a mile from where she had disappeared; only a week earlier, some of her clothes and belongings had been found in the same vicinity. Police believe that Shannan accidentally drowned after stumbling into a swamp, a view not shared by her mother. She had last been seen banging on a resident's door and screaming for help before running off into the night. A panicked 911 call from Gilbert that night includes her saying that they were going to kill her. On December 10, 2015, Suffolk County Police announced that the had officially joined the investigation. A spokesperson for the FBI confirmed the announcement.
The FBI had previously assisted in the search for victims, but was never officially part of the investigation until this announcement. On September 12, 2017, it was announced that Long Island carpenter and convicted murderer was a suspect in at least one of the murders attributed to the Long Island Serial killer. Identity of the killer There has been much speculation in the media concerning the identity of the killer, currently known as 'Unsub' (unknown subject). It has been suggested that the serial killer is most likely a white male in his mid-20s to mid-40s who is very familiar with the South Shore of Long Island and has access to, which he uses to contain the bodies. He may have a detailed knowledge of law enforcement techniques, and perhaps even ties to law enforcement, which have thus far helped him avoid detection. Some have speculated that serial killer and former Long Island resident may have been responsible for some of the older remains found in March and April 2011, as four of the victims' bodies were never found.
In an April 2011 prison interview with, Rifkin denied having anything to do with recently discovered remains. Suspects and persons of interest James Burke On December 15, 2016, the attorney for Shannan Gilbert's family said there was a connection between former Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke and the murders.
It was rumored that Burke frequently engaged with prostitutes, and one escort came forward claiming that she had 'rough sex' with Burke during an Oak Beach party during which she was choked. It was also revealed that Burke intentionally blocked an FBI probe of the LISK case during his time as police chief. In November 2016, Burke was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison, along with three years of supervised release, for beating of a man who stole a duffel bag filled with sex toys and pornography from his vehicle.
Burke pleaded guilty in February to a civil rights violation and. John Bittrolff, a Suffolk county resident who was convicted of the murders of two prostitutes in 1993 and 1994, and is a suspect in the murder of a third woman from that time period, was named as a suspect in at least one of the LISK murders on September 12, 2017. Suffolk County prosecutor Robert Biancavilla released a statement noting that Bittrolf was likely responsible for the deaths of other women, and that there were similarities between the Gilgo Beach crime scenes and Bittrolff's known murders. Bittrolff was a who lived in, where the torsos of LISK victims Jessica Taylor and 'Jane Doe No. 6' were recovered.
The remains were discovered roughly three miles away from Bittrolff's home. He was also a hunter who seemed to enjoy killing and mutilating animals, and reportedly once 'cut out the heart of a deer he had just shot and ate it raw in the woods'. Neighbors also recalled him killing small animals when he was younger.
Another link between Bittrolff and the LISK case became apparent when it was revealed that the grown daughter of Rita Tangredi, one of Bittrolff's known victims, was reportedly 'best friends' with Melissa Barthelemy, one of the Gilgo Beach victims. Barthelemy's mother also reported that Melissa 'had a lot of calls to Manorville from her phone' at the time.
Joseph Brewer Joseph Brewer, an Oak Beach resident, was one of the last people to see Shannan Gilbert alive. She was hired by Brewer as an escort on the night of her disappearance after posting an ad on. Brewer alleged that shortly after Gilbert arrived at his residence, she began acting erratically before fleeing from his home off into the night. Gilbert was later seen running through Oak Beach, pounding on the doors of homes in Brewer's neighborhood.
It was around this time that Gilbert made the phone call to claiming that 'they were trying to kill her'. However, police did not find any evidence of any wrongdoing, and Brewer was quickly cleared as a suspect. Peter Hackett Two days after Shannan's disappearance, her mother, Mari Gilbert, received a phone call from Dr. Peter Hackett, an Oak Beach resident and neighbor of Brewer. Hackett allegedly told Mari that he was taking care of Shannan, and that he 'ran a home for wayward girls.'
Five days after Gilbert's disappearance, Hackett made another phone call to Mari in which he vehemently denied ever coming into contact with Shannan, or ever making the phone calls to her mother. However, phone records later confirmed that Hackett called Mari twice following the disappearance.
The marshy area where Shannan's remains were eventually found was also noted to be close in proximity to Hackett's backyard. Subsequently, Gilbert's family filed a wrongful death suit against Hackett in November 2012, claiming that he took Shannan into his home that morning and administered drugs to her, facilitating her death. However, it was later revealed that Hackett had a history of inserting himself into, or exaggerating his role in certain major events.
This included the embellishment of his role in the investigation of. Police also noted that Hackett's wife and two children were home on the night of Shannan's disappearance, and would have had to have been aware of or complicit in any foul play that went on that night. Police later ruled out Hackett as a suspect in the deaths of Shannan and the LISK victims. James Bissett Rumors and suspicion grew after the of local businessman and aquarium owner James Bissett regarding possible links to the LISK case.
Bissett killed himself two days after Shannan's remains were found. Speculation grew when it was revealed that Bissett also owned a nursery, and had access to large amounts of burlap. However, police deny that Bissett was ever a or a suspect in the case. Victims Bodies discovered in December 2010 Of the ten bodies or sets of remains found since late 2010, the four discovered in December 2010 have been identified as missing sex workers who all advertised their services on Craigslist. They had all been strangled and their bodies wrapped in burlap sacks before being dumped along Gilgo Beach. All are believed to have been killed elsewhere.
Identified. Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, of, was an escort who advertised her services online. Maureen, who was only four feet eleven inches tall and one hundred five pounds, went to Long Island, 'to spend the day in,' and was never seen again. Maureen, a struggling mother, worked as a paid escort off Craigslist to pay the mortgage on her house, but after successfully leaving the for seven months, Maureen eventually returned to the work in order to pay her bills after receiving an eviction notice. She was last seen on July 9, 2007, when she left Norwich for New York City.
Her body was found in December 2010. Melissa Barthelemy, 24, of, went missing on July 10, 2009. She had been living in the and working as an escort through Craigslist.
On the night she went missing, she met with a client, deposited $900 in her bank account, and attempted to call an old boyfriend but did not get through. Beginning one week after her disappearance, and lasting for five weeks, her teenage sister, Amanda, received a series of 'vulgar, mocking and insulting' calls from someone who may have been the killer using her sister's cell phone. The caller spoke in a low, calm voice, and asked if Amanda 'was a whore like her sister.' The person using Melissa's phone also claimed that she was at a 'whorehouse in.'
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The calls became increasingly disturbing, and eventually culminated in the caller telling Amanda that Melissa was dead, and that he was going to 'watch her rot.' Police were able to trace some of the calls to, midtown, and, but were unable to determine who was making the calls. Melissa's mother also noted that there were 'a lot of calls to ' from Melissa's phone around the time of her disappearance.
Megan Waterman, 22, of, went missing on June 6, 2010, after placing advertisements on Craigslist as an escort. The day before, she had told her 20-year-old boyfriend that she was going out and would call him later. At the time of her disappearance, she was staying at a motel in, 15 miles northeast of Gilgo Beach. Her body was also recovered in December 2010. Amber Lynn Costello, 27, of, a town ten miles north of Gilgo Beach, was a sex worker and a heroin user who went missing on September 2, 2010. On the night she disappeared, she went to meet a stranger who had called her several times and offered $1,500 for her services. As of 2012, Costello's sister, Kimberly Overstreet, a call girl, has vowed to use the same Craigslist booking system as her sister in an effort to lure the killer.
Remains discovered in March and April 2011 The four sets of remains discovered on March 29 and April 4 were all within two miles and to the east of those found in December. They included two women, a man, and a toddler. A skull and a partial set of remains were found on April 11 after the search expanded into Nassau County. They were found about one mile apart, approximately five miles west of those found in December. Identified. Jessica Taylor, 20, most recently of Manhattan, went missing in July 2003. On July 26, 2003, her naked and dismembered torso, missing its head and hands, was discovered 45 miles east of Gilgo Beach in Manorville, New York; these remains were identified by DNA analysis later that year.
Taylor's torso was found atop a pile of scrap wood at the end of a paved access road off of Halsey Manor Road, just north of where it crosses the Long Island Expressway. Plastic sheeting was found underneath the torso, and a tattoo on her body had been mutilated with a sharp instrument. On May 9, 2011, it was reported that the remains of a skull, a pair of hands, and a forearm found on March 29 at Gilgo belonged to Taylor. She had worked in, and Manhattan as a prostitute. The remains of 'Jane Doe No.
6' were also found both in Manorville (torso) and on Gilgo Beach (head, hands and foot). Unidentified. 'Jane Doe No. 6': A human head, right foot, and hands, found on April 4, were determined to have belonged to an unidentified victim, the rest of whose body was found on November 19, 2000, in the same part of Manorville where most of Jessica Taylor's remains were discovered. The victim's torso was found wrapped in garbage bags and dumped in the woods near the intersection of Halsey Manor Rd and Mill Rd, adjacent to a set of power lines and a nearby power line access road.
Her right foot had been cut off high above the ankle, possibly to conceal an identifying mark or tattoo. The dismembered remains of Jessica Taylor and 'Jane Doe No. 6' were both disposed of in a similar manner and in the same town, suggesting a link.
In September 2011, police released a composite sketch of 'Jane Doe No. 6': she was about 5' 2' and was between 18 and 35-years old. It is likely that she worked as a prostitute. 'John Doe': Also discovered on April 4 at Gilgo Beach, very close to where the first four were discovered in December 2010, was the body of what appeared to be a young Asian male who died from blunt-force trauma.
In September 2011, police released a composite sketch of the victim and stated that he had likely been working as a prostitute and was wearing women's clothing at the time of his death. He was between 17 and 23 years of age, 5' 6' in height, and missing four teeth; he had been dead for between 5 and 10 years.
'Baby Doe': The third body found on April 4, about 250 feet away from the partial remains of 'Jane Doe No. 6,' was that of a female toddler between 16 and 24 months of age.
The body was wrapped in a blanket and showed no visible signs of trauma. Tests determined that the child's mother was 'Jane Doe No. 3', whose body was found 10 miles east, near. She was reported to be 'non-Caucasian' and was wearing earrings and a necklace.
': On June 28, 1997, the dismembered torso of an unidentified young female was found at, in the town of. The torso was found in a green plastic container, which was dumped next to a road along the west side of the lake. Investigators reported that the victim had a tattoo of a heart-shaped peach with a bite out of it and two drips falling from its core on her left breast.
Then, on April 11, 2011, police in Nassau County discovered dismembered skeletal human remains inside a plastic bag near, nicknamed 'Jane Doe No. DNA analysis identified this victim as the mother of 'Baby Doe.' She was found wearing similar jewelry to 'Baby Doe.' In December 2016, Peaches and Jane Doe No. 3 were positively identified as being the same individual.
'Jane Doe No. 7': Also on April 11, at nearby, a separate human skull and several teeth were recovered. These remains were linked by DNA testing to a set of severed legs found in a garbage bag on on April 20, 1996. Other possible victims These additional cases have not been officially linked to the other 10 bodies, but are being reviewed by police:. 19-year-old Tina Foglia was last seen in the early morning hours of February 1, 1982 at a rock music venue in.
She was a known hitchhiker. Her dismembered body was discovered by Department of Transportation workers on February 3 along the shoulder of the Southern State Parkway. Her remains were placed in three separate plastic garbage bags, and were found a few miles north of the, which leads to Gilgo Beach and Oak Beach. A diamond ring that Foglia was known to wear was missing, and the DNA of an unknown male was found on the garbage bags. Police have not ruled out the possibility that Tina Foglia was an early victim of the Long Island Serial Killer. On March 3, 2007, a suitcase containing the dismembered torso of an unidentified or light-skinned African-American female washed up on a beach at, in the town of.
The victim had a tattoo of two cherries on her left breast that was similar in appearance to the tattoo found on Peaches, and was determined to have been stabbed to death. Never identified, the victim is referred to as ' by investigators. One of her dismembered legs washed up at on March 21, and her other leg washed up at in the village of the following day. 'Cherries' was dismembered in a fashion similar to that of Jessica Taylor, 'Peaches' and 'Jane Doe No. 6,' meaning she may possibly linked to the other official victims. On May 17, 2011, the reported that Long Island police were revisiting other similar unsolved murders of prostitutes.
Named in the article was Tanya Rush, 39, a mother of three from Brooklyn whose dismembered body was found in a small suitcase in June 2008 on the shoulder of the in. Shannan Maria Gilbert (October 24, 1986 – May 1, 2010) was an escort who may have been a victim of the Long Island serial killer. She left for a client's residence in after midnight on May 1, 2010.
At 4:51 in the morning, 911 dispatchers received a panicked phone call from Gilbert who can be heard saying that there was someone 'after her' and that 'they' were trying to kill her. She was last seen a short time later banging on the front door of a nearby Oak Beach residence and screaming for help before running off into the night. After nineteen months of searching, police found Gilbert's remains in a marsh, half a mile away from where she was last seen. In May 2012, the medical examiners ruled that Shannan drowned while she ran through the marsh in a drug induced panic, ruling her death as 'death by misadventure' or 'inconclusive.' Her family believes she was murdered. On November 15, 2012 a lawsuit was filed by (Shannan's mother) against the Suffolk County Police Department in the hopes of getting more answers about what happened to her daughter the night she went missing. Due to controversy surrounding the cause of Gilbert's death, in September 2014, famed forensic pathologist Dr.
Agreed to conduct an independent autopsy of Shannan Gilbert's remains in hopes of determining a clear cause of death. Upon examination of Gilbert's remains, Baden found damage to her, suggesting that strangulation may have occurred. Baden also noted that her body was found face-up, which is not common for drowning victims. Despite this, her death is still officially listed as an accident.
On July 23, 2016, Gilbert's mother, Mari Gilbert, was murdered in her home in Ellenville, New York. Later that day, Shannan's younger sister, Sarra Elizabeth Gilbert, was arrested and charged with the murder of her mother.
On January 23, 2013, a woman walking her dog found human remains intentionally buried in a small piece of brush in a sandy area along the shore at the end of Sheep Lane in, near. The remains are believed to be of a woman between the ages of 20 and 30, possibly Asian. She was wearing a 22 karat gold pig pendant which may be a reference in some Asian cultures to 'The Year of the Pig.' This leads some to believe she died at the age of 29. There was trauma caused to her bones; investigators believe she was buried before in late 2012. Her case may be connected to the other 10 bodies found 32 miles away in and around Gilgo Beach.
On March 16, 2013, a 31-year-old woman, later identified as Natasha Jugo, was last seen leaving her home near,. Her car was found along Ocean Parkway and some of her clothes and belongings were found in the sand near Gilgo Beach the following day. Jugo was described as 5-feet, 7-inches tall, 120 pounds with brown eyes and blonde hair. She was last seen wearing a black robe, pink pajamas, gray hooded sweatshirt, black coat, and black boots.
Police are unsure whether the case is connected to the victims of the Long Island Serial Killer. Jugo's family mentioned that she had 'a history of problems in which she thought people were following her.' On June 24, 2013, Jugo's body was washed up on Gilgo Beach. See also. References. Archived from on April 7, 2011. Retrieved April 4, 2011.
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Click to expand.This had me laughing for a solid minute. This story is awesome.
A nice uncanny valley effect where you can't quite relate to Taylor but not so much that she feels unrelatable. The dysphoric feeling of being in someone's head who finds murder and torture both fascinating and relaxing. The resulting clash of emotions give me tingles. I am a little upset that this is on SB and not somewhere like QQ. For most fics it doesn't matter as the rules here don't generally interfere with the plot of most stories.
But when you're writing a serial killer, having there be arbitrary rules that can't be crossed for reasons unrelated to the actual story feels. Not that I think that this story needs anything that breaks SB's rules, just the fact that the rules prevent things which could be plausible in this story is. Like knowing a movie may have cut scenes in order to make it PG.
Meh, I'm probably over thinking this. This had me laughing for a solid minute. This story is awesome. A nice uncanny valley effect where you can't quite relate to Taylor but not so much that she feels unrelatable. The dysphoric feeling of being in someone's head who finds murder and torture both fascinating and relaxing.
The resulting clash of emotions give me tingles. I am a little upset that this is on SB and not somewhere like QQ. For most fics it doesn't matter as the rules here don't generally interfere with the plot of most stories. But when you're writing a serial killer, having there be arbitrary rules that can't be crossed for reasons unrelated to the actual story feels. Not that I think that this story needs anything that breaks SB's rules, just the fact that the rules prevent things which could be plausible in this story is.
Like knowing a movie may have cut scenes in order to make it PG. Meh, I'm probably over thinking this.
Click to expand.Possibly. And that would probably take away from the story. Sex is fine, but stories written for the sex are porn and, generally, the actual plot suffers for it. But there exist stories on QQ that are not porn (horror and ones with incidental sex) and yet wouldn't fit here.
But, the more I think about it, the less of an issue I think it is. The important parts of the horror in this story are Taylor's thoughts while she tortures and kills people, not extremely specific graphical details of the act. As for relationships, you don't need on-screen sex (or sex at all) to portray the weirdness that would be Taylor in a relationship. This story is awesome. A nice uncanny valley effect where you can't quite relate to Taylor but not so much that she feels unrelatable.
The dysphoric feeling of being in someone's head who finds murder and torture both fascinating and relaxing. The resulting clash of emotions give me tingles.
I am a little upset that this is on SB and not somewhere like QQ. For most fics it doesn't matter as the rules here don't generally interfere with the plot of most stories. But when you're writing a serial killer, having there be arbitrary rules that can't be crossed for reasons unrelated to the actual story feels. Not that I think that this story needs anything that breaks SB's rules, just the fact that the rules prevent things which could be plausible in this story is. Like knowing a movie may have cut scenes in order to make it PG. Meh, I'm probably over thinking this. So I managed to accomplish one of the things I wanted to do.
And only because short scenes is acceptable to me, for this story.Sigh. Still, something is better than nothing, right? - It’s a Tuesday, just a few days after Hugo Masters, and the school has been locked down. Jamie Harper is fresh enough in everyone’s minds that there are already whispers. Sitting in on the floor of the computer lab, in the dark, is almost stifling. Emma’s grip on my arm is both grounding.and accusing.
“ Taylor.” “Emma.” I make it as clear as I can, in my tone, that I’m not dumb enough to make the exact same mistake twice. This isn’t because of me.
What is it, then? There are too many possibilities to really guess. I don’t hear any gunshots. No explosions or crashes.
Waiting, while authorities are no doubt arriving to do something about whatever the situation is. Overly concerned. Really, I’m not. It’s just.why? Curiosity gnaws, and the time can’t pass quickly enough. What’s happening?
- The answer, as it turns out, is ‘the start of a gang war’. It starts in a school hallway. Three asian students attacked by wannabe skinhead; one dead. An attacker off to the hospital in handcuffs; Scott Harper caught a knife to the shoulder, apparently. According to other students (and my own experiences have done nothing to refute this) there had always been fighting in Winslow.
But two bodies dropped in a month? What looks from the outside like a senseless killing, and a deadly retaliation Apparently, that isn’t something that people can pass off as a schoolyard scuffle. Suddenly, the school’s gang problems are newsworthy. Not front page, but all that really matters is that it’s public. And public gang conflict, I learn, invites reprisals. Sophia is particularly unimpressed with the whole situation. “We have to patrol in threes now.” I hum, adjusting the clamps holding the crossbow bolt to the table.
“Sorry.” Sparking off a gang war was maybe the furthest thing from what I’d been trying to do. “I know you’re not the most sociable.” She’s not bad at it. She just doesn’t like it. It’s a strange thing to see.
I’m not.” Her tone is strange, biting; I look up. She’s frowning at me.ah.
Yeah, I guess that was kind of obvious. I smile sheepishly, and she rolls her eyes. Shoots a glance down at the notebooks open across her lap before tossing them aside and stalking over.
Pun not intended, probably not something to share. Sophia doesn’t appreciate jokes about that sort of thing) “What are you even doing?” Oh, right. “I used one of these the other day.” As much an admission as I’m sure she’s willing to hear, at the moment. “But it was a lot of effort. I’m sure I was overcompensating, to make sure it actually’went off’.” Which is why.
With a fresh blade, too. I like how much use I’m getting out of it, even if it’s not the best tool for every job. I start at the end furthest from the head, running the saw across the shaft a couple of times before it bites. “I’m gonna pull it apart and see if I can make things easier.” “Not a terrible idea.” She circles around so she can watch without having to look over my shoulder. “What happens when you screw it up?” I’d shrug, but my arms are otherwise occupied. Somehow, easier than cutting up a body.
“What’s to screw up? I don’t plan on using any of the complicated bits.
If I can get a needle and the tranquilizer out of this without breaking anything too important, I’ll be good.” “Except for the whole ‘attacking already twitchy gang members’ thing.” There is that. Especially since I doubt the Wards are the only ones seeking safety in numbers, with everything that’s going on. “It’s better than nothing.” “Hmph.” I don’t say anything more, sliding the saw free from the cut to snap off the plastic.fletching. Fletching is the word. Sophia watches with what I assume is feigned disinterest, as I shine a flashlight into the hollow shaft to see what I can see.
The answer is ‘not much’. And after a bit of tapping, shaking, and general attempts to get things to fall out, I admit defeat and clamp the thing down again. “So if you get tranqed, I’m not carrying you upstairs.” “That’s fine.” Considering the daze this stuff left some of her targets in, I doubt I’ll care that much. “Aren’t you supposed to be studying?” Silence. “Are you still having trouble with biology?” An immaterial hand sweeps down between me and the bolt, cloudy and vague as it shivers over the thing.
Sophia settles back with a smirk, and a plastic ampule of transparent liquid, tiny, capped needle and all. “.that’s cheating.” “Do you want me to do the rest?” “I’ll help you with your homework.” “Well shit, if you’re offering.” I gather up the bolts. Sophia works her magic. And then we settle in and talk cell division.
It’s a productive study session. Click to expand.I'm not a psychologist, blah blah, but I like to think my google-fu is up there. I think Stockholm Syndrome, as is commonly accepted/talked about (because it is a controversial 'disorder' in and of itself), requires there to be some kind of unbalanced and prolonged power dynamic (hostage/kidnapper) in which the hostage develops feelings/sympathy for the bad guy over time.
Madison's initial actions don't even seem remotely like even Hollywood Stockholm Syndrome-more like the rational actions of anyone who just witnessed a murder and doesn't want to be the next person with a knife in their throat. I'm sure an argument could be made for after that point-where she deliberately agrees to meet up with Taylor after the fact, continue helping her, and so on out of a perceived (and misguided) belief that she has now committed an unforgivable crime that forces her to choose between death at the hands of Taylor or Prison. Even though in reality, every single person in the CJ process would fully understand why she initially supported Taylor's lies up until the moment she was outside of knife range.
But Madison's very quick willingness to not only continue lying for Taylor but physically assisting in torture and murder seem way more like Madison is just crazy and finally found a good excuse to let it show. Click to expand.Stockholm syndrome is a long process, with distinct steps. Mads hasn't hit any of them (unless you really, really squint. And tilt your head to the side. And the lighting is juuuusssst right). And as was said a bit earlier, it requires a power dynamic-not just the threat of force, but total or near total control over someone over an extended period of time.
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Generally speaking you only see even the possibility for Stockholm in hostage or kidnapping situations. This reads more as Mads being some kind of psychopath herself.
She seemed to enjoy helping Taylor torture and kill a man, and she's good at faking the ability to fit in with a group. My God this story is a work of freaking art. Like seriously Taylor is so wonderfully just idk crazy doesn't quite seem to fit so I guess I'll use detached and well it's absolutely deliciously amazing. I can't tell if she's triggered yet or not but well if she hasn't then I can say with confidence that if she does then there will be no force on the planet to can stop our glorious queen on her path of slaughter. God I really wanna see Taylor go for a nice moonlit walk like a certain vampire I'm sure we all know and love. Seems right up her alley so to speak. 'Six of one, half a dozen of another', only poorly adapted to mean 'More of one thing than another'.
Which, uh.yeah. I think you're overthinking it. I mean, I get what you're saying, but to be honest I kinda doubt anything would change, if I were to post elsewhere.
Though come to think of it, I may be double-checking the rules just to cover my bases. Like, I don't foresee it being an issue, but that's how you get got. Oh, no wait, that's.is that an acronym for the Trio+Taylor? Is that a thing which I was not previously aware of? Could be, though if you spend several books setting up one way before pulling a massive twist like that, and I can see people being a little miffed. Also, you quoted like one word out of a post and I'm just.I'm lost. Is it a typo?
Some cryptic message? Gimme somethin' to work with, please? So I managed to accomplish one of the things I wanted to do.
And only because short scenes is acceptable to me, for this story.Sigh. Still, something is better than nothing, right? - It’s a Tuesday, just a few days after Hugo Masters, and the school has been locked down. Jamie Harper is fresh enough in everyone’s minds that there are already whispers. Sitting in on the floor of the computer lab, in the dark, is almost stifling. Emma’s grip on my arm is both grounding.and accusing.
“ Taylor.” “Emma.” I make it as clear as I can, in my tone, that I’m not dumb enough to make the exact same mistake twice. This isn’t because of me.
What is it, then? There are too many possibilities to really guess.
I don’t hear any gunshots. No explosions or crashes. Waiting, while authorities are no doubt arriving to do something about whatever the situation is.
Overly concerned. Really, I’m not.
It’s just.why? Curiosity gnaws, and the time can’t pass quickly enough. What’s happening? - The answer, as it turns out, is ‘the start of a gang war’. It starts in a school hallway. Three asian students attacked by wannabe skinhead; one dead. An attacker off to the hospital in handcuffs; Scott Harper caught a knife to the shoulder, apparently.
According to other students (and my own experiences have done nothing to refute this) there had always been fighting in Winslow. But two bodies dropped in a month?
What looks from the outside like a senseless killing, and a deadly retaliation Apparently, that isn’t something that people can pass off as a schoolyard scuffle. Suddenly, the school’s gang problems are newsworthy. Not front page, but all that really matters is that it’s public. And public gang conflict, I learn, invites reprisals. Sophia is particularly unimpressed with the whole situation. “We have to patrol in threes now.” I hum, adjusting the clamps holding the crossbow bolt to the table. “Sorry.” Sparking off a gang war was maybe the furthest thing from what I’d been trying to do.
“I know you’re not the most sociable.” She’s not bad at it. She just doesn’t like it. It’s a strange thing to see. I’m not.” Her tone is strange, biting; I look up.
She’s frowning at me.ah. Yeah, I guess that was kind of obvious. I smile sheepishly, and she rolls her eyes. Shoots a glance down at the notebooks open across her lap before tossing them aside and stalking over. Pun not intended, probably not something to share. Sophia doesn’t appreciate jokes about that sort of thing) “What are you even doing?” Oh, right. “I used one of these the other day.” As much an admission as I’m sure she’s willing to hear, at the moment.
“But it was a lot of effort. I’m sure I was overcompensating, to make sure it actually’went off’.” Which is why. With a fresh blade, too. I like how much use I’m getting out of it, even if it’s not the best tool for every job.
I start at the end furthest from the head, running the saw across the shaft a couple of times before it bites. “I’m gonna pull it apart and see if I can make things easier.” “Not a terrible idea.” She circles around so she can watch without having to look over my shoulder.
“What happens when you screw it up?” I’d shrug, but my arms are otherwise occupied. Somehow, easier than cutting up a body. “What’s to screw up? I don’t plan on using any of the complicated bits. If I can get a needle and the tranquilizer out of this without breaking anything too important, I’ll be good.” “Except for the whole ‘attacking already twitchy gang members’ thing.” There is that.
Especially since I doubt the Wards are the only ones seeking safety in numbers, with everything that’s going on. “It’s better than nothing.” “Hmph.” I don’t say anything more, sliding the saw free from the cut to snap off the plastic.fletching.
Fletching is the word. Sophia watches with what I assume is feigned disinterest, as I shine a flashlight into the hollow shaft to see what I can see. The answer is ‘not much’.
And after a bit of tapping, shaking, and general attempts to get things to fall out, I admit defeat and clamp the thing down again. “So if you get tranqed, I’m not carrying you upstairs.” “That’s fine.” Considering the daze this stuff left some of her targets in, I doubt I’ll care that much. “Aren’t you supposed to be studying?” Silence. “Are you still having trouble with biology?” An immaterial hand sweeps down between me and the bolt, cloudy and vague as it shivers over the thing. Sophia settles back with a smirk, and a plastic ampule of transparent liquid, tiny, capped needle and all.
“.that’s cheating.” “Do you want me to do the rest?” “I’ll help you with your homework.” “Well shit, if you’re offering.” I gather up the bolts. Sophia works her magic. And then we settle in and talk cell division. It’s a productive study session.
Click to expand.Yeah, but she starts out scared and then starts helping Taylor in the course of about thirty seconds; and doesn't seem to ever show any hesitation. Madison thus far gives the vibe of a budding non-sociopath serial killer, not some poor victim. Stockholm Syndrome is also pretty explicitly about hostages/kidnap victims and captors, not 'I saw you do a crime once, I was scared you'd kill me, also do you need an alibi and can I help you kill more people?' Taylor certainly seems to have picked up on the fact that Madison's reactions and questions aren't normal here. Madison, on the other hand, is wonderful at crying.
I’m not sure how much of it is real and how much isn’t, but she started practically on cue, and she’s made it ugly. The kind of crying that only the truly distraught can produce, the kind of crying that leaves grown men cringing away. Eventually, we’re left alone in an office to wait for our respective parents.
It only takes moments after the door closes behind the ‘nice’ police officer for the crying to stop. Which, I guess, answers that question.
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